Biotopes

[Kenny]

Hi all,

Im after setting up two different Biotopes in two different tanks.

One being a Guatemalan one. Were i will have the following :

Cichlidae

- Thorichthys aureus
- exCichlasoma bocourti
- Theraps lentiginosus (Eventually, have to source)
- Tomocichla Sieboldi (Again have too source)


Any other Cichlidae would you have?

Xiphophorus

- Xiphophorus helleri
- Xiphophorus mayae

Secondly i am open to ideas. But i was thinking a mexican one. The fish i have available are

Cichlidae

- Vieja Argentea
- exCichlasoma grammodes
- Herichthys tamasopoensis (Prob going too move on)
- Vieja Regani (Prob going too move on)

Fish i like from mexico and would have to source...

Cichlidae

- Herichthys sp. 'Turq'
- exCichlasoma salvini
- Thorichthys pasionis

Xiphophorus

- Xiphophorus montezumae, cascadas de Tomasopo, Mexico

Any input would be great

Thanks again

[Rick Thibert]

Some great choices..................... some could be "switch hitters" for either the Mexican or Guatemalan setups........... being native to both............

I do think Sieboldii is too much fish for your MX mix................ personally! :)

[Kenny]

Some great choices..................... some could be "switch hitters" for either the Mexican or Guatemalan setups........... being native to both............

I do think Sieboldii is too much fish for your MX mix................ personally! :)

Sieboldi were going in the Guatemalan one mate,

[Rick Thibert]

Sorry, yes, too much for tha mix............. your Thors won't last very long and your Bos will be dominated, lents may be OK................

[Kenny]

Sieboldi out the question then... Going to drop Tamas, Regani aswell. Drop Salvini aswell.

Well heres the list

Guatemala

- Boccourti
- Aureus
- Lenti's - Sourcing at min
- Archocentrus spinosissimus - Sourcing at min.
- Parachromis Motag's RT

- Xiphophorus helleri
or
- Xiphophorus mayae

Mexico

- Vieja Argentea
- exCichlasoma grammodes
- Herichthys sp. 'Turq'
- Thorichthys pasionis

- Xiphophorus montezumae, cascadas de Tomasopo, Mexico

[Rick Thibert]

Shame, I've got 4x lovely Tamasopoensis from Rusty at the auction............ thinking of moving these on........

[Kenny]

I have 6 tams anyway mate. So wouldnt need them ;-)

[Ashley_Hollings]

Some nice choices there mate, what size tanks you planning on using? 8x3x3 ;)

[Kenny]

Some nice choices there mate, what size tanks you planning on using? 8x3x3 ;)

Thats the plan for us in the summer dude... Were building!

[Ashley_Hollings]

Send me a link to one that has been made before.

[Oscar52]

sounds a nice tank but you will have problems with the Xiphophorus cross breeding

[Rick Thibert]

Kenny,

Sieboldii aren't in Guatemala either..................... Panama and Costa Rica me thinks.........

[Kenny]

Kenny,

Sieboldii aren't in Guatemala either..................... Panama and Costa Rica me thinks.........

Your right Rick but because i liked them there were gonna be an exception lol...

[Kenny]

sounds a nice tank but you will have problems with the Xiphophorus cross breeding

I am only going to add one of them mate. Sorry i should of made that clear. Its basicly which one i find first.

[Oscar52]

No worries although the chances of any fry making it are pretty slim,

[Lee Nuttall]

Hi Ken,

If i was going to base a biotope around V. argentea then this is the list of fish i would choose, most will be found in the Rio Usumancinta tributaries.

Astaheros nourisatti
C. intermedium
T. helleri/Meeki
Parachromis friedrichsthalii
P. bifasciatus
P.synspilus
Theraps lentiginosus/irregularis (good luck)
V.ufermanni
X. helleri

What size tank are you planning to set up?

[Michael Kwist]

Some biotope examples around Vieja argentea ;)

For this combinations you need to have a tank with a minimum size of 200x70x60cm

Rio corzo :
- Vieja argentea 1/1
- Astatheros nourissati 2/2
- Theraps lentiginosus 2/2

Rio corzo
- Vieja argentea 1/1
- Cichlasoma ufermanni 1/1
- Thorichthys sp rio corzo (group)

Rio Tulija
- Vieja argentea 1/1
- Chuco intermedia 2/2
- Astatheros robertsoni group


Rio Tulija
- Vieja argentea 1/1
- Cichlasoma salvini 1/1
- Cichlasoma pearsei 1/1

A other good combination is:
- Vieja argentea 1/1
- Cichlasoma pearsei 1/1
- Petenia splendida 1/1

[kelvin]

Kenny, I'm in the process of setting up three similar biotopes:

#1 Broadly Lago Peten Melanurus/Urophthalmus/Pasionis

#2 Broadly Lago Izabal Bocourti/Maculicauda/Robertsoni

#3 Broadly Rio Usumacinta Argentea/Pearsei/Ufermanni

I have managed to collect young examples of all the fish listed except Ufermanni - any ideas?

have you had any luck sourcing the lenti's I'd like to fit those in too!

Let me know what you think, Kelvin

[Rick Thibert]

Kelvin, why not substitute uffermani with bifasciatum as there are Rio Usumacintas from my old pair about?????

[kelvin]

Good idea Rick, especially since I cant find anyone with Ufermanni, will see if anyone has Bifasciatum, any suggestions would be appreciated!
Kelvin

[Michael Kwist]

Ufermanni are not very difficult to get here.. i know some guys who have this fish.. some got them from me.. because i had a lot of fry of them.
Friend of my got 8 of these guys they are now around 18 to 20cm.. ;) F2 Rio corzo.
If you can't find ufermanni why not try Vieja heterospila?? these are also very peacefull and good tankmates for Argentea and pearsei. or a other option Petenia Splendida :)

[kelvin]

Hi Michael, I have thought about heterospila but they are also hard to find here, I know Lee has a very nice pair, hopefully he will get them to spawn soon! Kelvin

[Rick Thibert]

Good idea Rick, especially since I cant find anyone with Ufermanni, will see if anyone has Bifasciatum, any suggestions would be appreciated!
Kelvin

Several offspring about! Bluejax just bred his pair on a post tonight!! ;)